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Te.Se.O. Bulletins
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Copyright © by FCA Italy S.p.A.
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Fiat Ducato
All models with MTA
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9910122 1 AE
1.20
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The transmission shifts to neutral while driving
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CUSTOMER'S REPORTED FAULT
While shifting gears, the transmission passes to neutral, the MIL warning light switches on and the engine sets in recovery mode.
TECHNICAL CAUSE
The customer's claimed fault occurs with DTC P1742, P1741, P2915 and P2916. The problem is due to the too high wear of the Selespeed selector piston.
OPERATION
Implement the check list below.
Stage 1
For each case when Neutral is engaged, errors must be read along with the ENVIRONMENTAL PARAMETERS
Fig. 1
To get all information about the faults stored in the TCU memory. Gather all information about the customer's claim.
Stage 2
INFORMATION TO BE GATHERED IN THE "MECHANICAL" PAGE
Fig. 2
Record all the values of these parameters
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Clutch overtemperature time |
Third gear engagement threshold valve ON |
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Clutch overspeed counter |
Fourth gear engagement threshold valve ON |
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Counter for clutch incorrect closing |
Fifth gear engagement threshold valve ON |
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Clutch opening failure counter |
Sixth gear engagement threshold valve ON |
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Neutral engagement counter |
RG engagement threshold valve ON |
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First gear engagement counter |
Neutral selection threshold |
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Second gear engagement counter |
First gear selection threshold |
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Third gear engagement counter |
Second gear selection threshold |
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Fourth gear engagement counter |
Third gear selection threshold |
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Fifth gear engagement counter |
Fourth gear selection threshold |
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Sixth gear engagement counter |
Fifth gear selection threshold |
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Reverse gear engagement counters |
Sixth gear selection threshold |
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Engagement error counter |
Reverse gear selection threshold |
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Neutral engagement threshold valve ON |
Failed engagement counter |
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First gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Incorrect select. error counter |
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Second gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Blocked select. error counter |
Stage 3
INFORMATION TO BE GATHERED IN THE "RECORDER" PAGE
Fig. 3
Record all the values of these parameters
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Distance travelled in Neutral |
Fifth gear failed engagement counter |
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Distance travelled in first gear |
Sixth gear failed engagement counter |
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Distance travelled in second gear |
Reverse gear failed engagement counter |
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Distance travelled in third gear |
Neutral failed selection counter |
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Distance travelled in fourth gear |
First gear failed selection counter |
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Distance travelled in fifth gear |
Second gear failed selection counter |
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Distance travelled in sixth gear |
Third gear failed selection counter |
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Distance travelled in reverse gear |
Fourth gear failed selection counter |
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Neutral failed engagement counter |
Fifth gear failed selection counter |
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First gear failed engagement counter |
Sixth gear failed selection counter |
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Second gear failed engagement counter |
Reverse gear failed selection counter |
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Third gear failed engagement counter |
No disengagement counter |
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Fourth gear failed engagement counter |
Total speed variation counter |
Stage 4
ROAD TEST
Drive the vehicle using the RECORDER and gather these parameters to detect the fault
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Engagement position |
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Selection position |
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Sel. act. pos. ref. |
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Engagement act. pos. ref. |
Drive the vehicle and check this information, if a fault is detected
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"If the fault occurs while upshifting (increasing vehicle speed) (YES ____ NO ____)"
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"If the fault occurs while downshifting (decreasing vehicle speed) (YES ____ NO ____)"
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"The gear displayed on the instrument panel before the fault (DISPLAYED GEAR ________)"
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"The gear displayed on the instrument panel after the fault (DISPLAYED GEAR ________)"
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"If no gear can be engaged, moving the tunnel lever, after the fault (YES ___ NO ___)"
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"If a gear can be engaged, moving the tunnel lever, after the fault (YES ___ NO ___)"
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"If the transmission goes to NEUTRAL or to LIMP HOME MODE (the available gear is the third)"
THE TRANSMISSION GOES TO NEUTRAL _______ THE TRANSMISSION GOES TO LIMP HOME MODE _______
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"If a Key-off/Key-on is needed to engage the gears (YES ___NO ___)"
IF THE FAULT OCCURS DURING THE ROAD TEST
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1. Stop the recording
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2. Check if there are any errors and which
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3. If there are no errors go on driving the vehicle to reproduce the fault several times (5-6 times during a driving cycle)
Go back to the workshop and repeat Stage 2 and Stage 3 to check whether the statistical counters change state
Stage 5
TRANSMISSION GRILLE SELF-LEARNING
Fig. 4
Carry out the "servicing/end of line self-calibration"; when the procedure is over do not carry out a Key-off, rather go back to page PARAMETERS and carry out the parameter reading
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Neutral engagement threshold valve ON |
Neutral selection threshold |
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First gear engagement threshold valve ON |
First gear selection threshold |
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Second gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Second gear selection threshold |
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Third gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Third gear selection threshold |
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Fourth gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Fourth gear selection threshold |
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Fifth gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Fifth gear selection threshold |
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Sixth gear engagement threshold valve ON |
Sixth gear selection threshold |
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RG engagement threshold valve ON |
Reverse gear selection threshold |
Print the new calculated values and disconnect the battery so that the new value is not stored.
Contact Te.Se.O. without carrying out further interventions and/or replacements; attach the number of this Te.Se.O. newsletter, the checklist complete with the recordings, the required Examiner printouts and the number of Escalation (1618) to the ticket, then follow the instructions given by Te.Se.O.
CLAIM REPORT DATA
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All models in question |
9910122 |
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AE |
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1.20 |
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019.14 |
Fiat Ducato |
The transmission shifts to neutral while driving |
22/05/2014 |
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