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Fiat Ducato


All models with MTA
BT
019.14
9910122 1 AE 1.20 The transmission shifts to neutral while driving


CUSTOMER'S REPORTED FAULT

While shifting gears, the transmission passes to neutral, the MIL warning light switches on and the engine sets in recovery mode.

TECHNICAL CAUSE

The customer's claimed fault occurs with DTC P1742, P1741, P2915 and P2916. The problem is due to the too high wear of the Selespeed selector piston.

OPERATION

Implement the check list below.

Stage 1

For each case when Neutral is engaged, errors must be read along with the ENVIRONMENTAL PARAMETERS

Fig. 1


To get all information about the faults stored in the TCU memory. Gather all information about the customer's claim.

Stage 2

INFORMATION TO BE GATHERED IN THE "MECHANICAL" PAGE

Fig. 2


Record all the values of these parameters

 

Clutch overtemperature time

 

Third gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Clutch overspeed counter

 

Fourth gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Counter for clutch incorrect closing

 

Fifth gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Clutch opening failure counter

 

Sixth gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Neutral engagement counter

 

RG engagement threshold valve ON

 

First gear engagement counter

 

Neutral selection threshold

 

Second gear engagement counter

 

First gear selection threshold

 

Third gear engagement counter

 

Second gear selection threshold

 

Fourth gear engagement counter

 

Third gear selection threshold

 

Fifth gear engagement counter

 

Fourth gear selection threshold

 

Sixth gear engagement counter

 

Fifth gear selection threshold

 

Reverse gear engagement counters

 

Sixth gear selection threshold

 

Engagement error counter

 

Reverse gear selection threshold

 

Neutral engagement threshold valve ON

 

Failed engagement counter

 

First gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Incorrect select. error counter

 

Second gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Blocked select. error counter

Stage 3

INFORMATION TO BE GATHERED IN THE "RECORDER" PAGE

Fig. 3


Record all the values of these parameters

 

Distance travelled in Neutral

 

Fifth gear failed engagement counter

 

Distance travelled in first gear

 

Sixth gear failed engagement counter

 

Distance travelled in second gear

 

Reverse gear failed engagement counter

 

Distance travelled in third gear

 

Neutral failed selection counter

 

Distance travelled in fourth gear

 

First gear failed selection counter

 

Distance travelled in fifth gear

 

Second gear failed selection counter

 

Distance travelled in sixth gear

 

Third gear failed selection counter

 

Distance travelled in reverse gear

 

Fourth gear failed selection counter

 

Neutral failed engagement counter

 

Fifth gear failed selection counter

 

First gear failed engagement counter

 

Sixth gear failed selection counter

 

Second gear failed engagement counter

 

Reverse gear failed selection counter

 

Third gear failed engagement counter

 

No disengagement counter

 

Fourth gear failed engagement counter

 

Total speed variation counter

Stage 4

ROAD TEST

Drive the vehicle using the RECORDER and gather these parameters to detect the fault

 

Engagement position

 

Selection position

 

Sel. act. pos. ref.

 

Engagement act. pos. ref.

Drive the vehicle and check this information, if a fault is detected

  • "If the fault occurs while upshifting (increasing vehicle speed) (YES ____ NO ____)"

  • "If the fault occurs while downshifting (decreasing vehicle speed) (YES ____ NO ____)"

  • "The gear displayed on the instrument panel before the fault (DISPLAYED GEAR ________)"

  • "The gear displayed on the instrument panel after the fault (DISPLAYED GEAR ________)"

  • "If no gear can be engaged, moving the tunnel lever, after the fault (YES ___ NO ___)"

  • "If a gear can be engaged, moving the tunnel lever, after the fault (YES ___ NO ___)"

  • "If the transmission goes to NEUTRAL or to LIMP HOME MODE (the available gear is the third)"

THE TRANSMISSION GOES TO NEUTRAL _______ THE TRANSMISSION GOES TO LIMP HOME MODE _______

  • "If a Key-off/Key-on is needed to engage the gears (YES ___NO ___)"

IF THE FAULT OCCURS DURING THE ROAD TEST

  • 1. Stop the recording

  • 2. Check if there are any errors and which

  • 3. If there are no errors go on driving the vehicle to reproduce the fault several times (5-6 times during a driving cycle)

Go back to the workshop and repeat Stage 2 and Stage 3 to check whether the statistical counters change state

Stage 5

TRANSMISSION GRILLE SELF-LEARNING

Fig. 4


Carry out the "servicing/end of line self-calibration"; when the procedure is over do not carry out a Key-off, rather go back to page PARAMETERS and carry out the parameter reading

 

Neutral engagement threshold valve ON

 

Neutral selection threshold

 

First gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

First gear selection threshold

 

Second gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Second gear selection threshold

 

Third gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Third gear selection threshold

 

Fourth gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Fourth gear selection threshold

 

Fifth gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Fifth gear selection threshold

 

Sixth gear engagement threshold valve ON

 

Sixth gear selection threshold

 

RG engagement threshold valve ON

 

Reverse gear selection threshold

Print the new calculated values and disconnect the battery so that the new value is not stored.

Contact Te.Se.O. without carrying out further interventions and/or replacements; attach the number of this Te.Se.O. newsletter, the checklist complete with the recordings, the required Examiner printouts and the number of Escalation (1618) to the ticket, then follow the instructions given by Te.Se.O.

CLAIM REPORT DATA

 

Version

 

Operation

 

Part

 

Fault

 

Position

 

Time allowance

 

All models in question

 

9910122

 

1

 

AE

 

-

 

1.20

 

Sheet

 

Model

 

Subject

 

Release date

 

Date of last update

 

Closing date

 

Notes

 

019.14

 

Fiat Ducato

 

The transmission shifts to neutral while driving

 

22/05/2014